vintage str1zl

been inhousing this map with GN a fair bit, I still think it's abit unbalanced and they could easily do a few touch ups to help that. Pretty fun map, but I can't see it going as a core map tbh.

okayish map but the one i made was WAY better

Ok just found out the map we have been playing is a different version to the offical. Nice 1 BurtoN

hahaha burton u idiot! weve been playing the wrong map!! ; ) thats so gold

ROFL

have you been playing the one on the vid? like has gas tanks and crap?

de_rush_hell or someshit.. yer it has gas tanks LOL, we have actually played like 6 inhouses on it and ran around it for ages figuring out little tricks. FUCKING BURTON

WTF BURTON LOL

i really enjoy this map tbh

i dnt mind it either

ok the actuall de_hell map is amazing. I hope it has good feed back because its fkn sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEX8C-GBR4M&fmt=22&annotation_id=annotation_761881&feature=iv

ur idoit

ffs burton

http://img217.imageshack.us/f/dehell.jpg/

k after runnin round a fair bit with a mate the map is actually pretty good, layout wise i like it and the design is good. Ran some timing on it and with the best T spawn they take mid ramp with awp and the carpet line to long A, and get inside B doors, but cant get into mid con from mid which is good imo. The bad thing is the area size of bombsites and hallways, its got like a cbble/chateau feel when you walk around the areas are just too big imo needs to be scaled down, and theres too many boxes in bombsite b. apart from that once navi and fnatic give there ideas and changes it will be really good

will be scriming this tonight

already had 2 inhouses, sickest map.. EVER

just mucked around with bots etc (coz i've got no friends lOL?) and yeh, this map seems pretty damn G.

i like it, needs a few tweaks in my opinion

- the current balcony mesh thing is really easy to see on 1024, but nearly impossible on 800 or lower. It should be just a rail like Inferno.

- Few to many boxes in each of the sites

- The "Second Mid doorway" should probably have a door on it, or a breakable vent style.

- A shouldnt be elevated, it should be level, or maybe in a Pit.

- CT spawns are to random, should be closer together (1 is a really good spawn, other is really bad). (2 spawns total)

lets just say that its a STACK B and the bomb is planted A, its REALLY hard to retake

wtf cob why not hook me up with a scrim

map is turd. way too big for a war map compared to others. action takes double the time to start compared to d2/inferno/nuke/train. and even longer than tuscan.

has way too much garbage in it to be a true war map. garbage being boxes, random lights and torches and other stuff.

we don't need another CT sided map. just like tuscan, train, inferno and nuke. not to mention the amount of random ditches and side boxes there are.

to make things worse the ditch in A is an open-ditch with no cover, AND there's access to the veranda.

the map isn't flat enough and is basically a chateau version of cbble.

needs to be downsized, needs to have less angle of elevation and be more flat as a map, way less boxes, and needs to get rid of its try-hard eye candy garbage.

will not be a competitive map. tuscan is better. waste of $3000 for first prize winner.

Since when are tuscan and inferno CT sided maps? l0LZ.

You sound like payback, NAH ITS DIFFERENT TO DUST2 NOT PLAYING IT MATE GET OUT.

its actually a T sided map

"Since when are tuscan and inferno CT sided maps? l0LZ."

inferno: since when? since most professional teams started sending 1 awper at banana and were able to use 4 players at A for a good number of rounds.

tuscan: since you are oblivious to the fact that it's based on cpl mill you won't understand.

sommi don't agree about quick action.. there can be action in mid in about the same time as it takes for there to be action in mid on ferno?

"Since when are tuscan and inferno CT sided maps"... errrrrr

i guess we'll have to wait and see what they do with the changes.

also i've been reading a lot of criticism about it from european pugs etc. and people are basically saying what i've saying with things like:

the map is way too big and open and CT's can dodge 90% of flashes way too easily (cbble, anyone?).

also i think bombsite A, for CT's has like 4 entry points. and bombsite B has one line to basically watch. 4/1 setups. wierd ass titz

this map is 10-5 minimum T... even without pistol 10 is getable as T, fighting starts within 8 seconds if both T and CT rush to middle or long A / Carpet. Good map just needs to be tweaked

u guys are retards every map in CS is a T map if you know how to play btw

turns out you guys are massive turd eaters and turd suckers:

found this on HLTV.org --

the map-creator actually created this as a pub-randy map a few years ago. he just re-textured it and renamed it to de_hell (because inferno means 'hell' in Portuguese).

the original map is named: de_hassan
screenshots here: http://www.csromania.com/de-hassan-t484.html

p.s. rizleR2g dust2 is the only T map around these days and by saying a map is one-sided we could just look at the number of times that a team wins a coin toss and chooses CT:
90% of the time teams will choose train, nuke, inferno, tuscan as CTs and Ts on dust2

the bakeR
is bakinG

CBBLE MILES? booked idiot

oh loL

do agree with most people that it's a little over complicated in areas, such as mid with the ditch and boxes, and the two bomb sites with so many boxes etc.

every map thats played now is T yeah, cbble ? dumb map that was taken out of the rotation for being a shit map? LOL d2 the only T map... ? what the fuck.. Id say d2 is the map that becoming more CT out of the 4.. things have changed from the old times, Nuke is a T map, d2 is a T map, Inferno is a T map, id say Train is the only map that has still held a slight CT favour.

Also the 'bakeR' has won 6 nationals here, but dont worry i dont know shit about CS your probly right! heh

if only i can show you my map i made back in 2008

dont try and counter my argument in #36 either, ive already gone through every scenario in every map on every bombsite and the maps are designed for T dominance/control

Apart from the spastic maps (that were fun) like Aztec/Cbble/Prodigy, but were taken out for being ridiculously 1 sided.

1:1 frags Terrorist will always win the round (unless your bad)

Wherever the Terrorist go they have number advantage (unless its a 5v5 man rush, very unlikely)

Terrorist control more than half the map safely on dust2, inferno, and nuke.

Once Terrorist take the bombsite they have the advantage if numbers are even, If they have more number advantage the round is basically won.

Thats under half the stuff i can prove to you why the maps are T

The offensive side, wins. a half is won by the players not buy the side they are on imo

f**k why wont buy let me change it 2 by!

you will understand in time my dear friend costa, you can start with getting that haircut mate

i just basically supported exactly what u jus said miles!, ct's are usually only winin when they are playin agro 4 picks 2 put off the T's momentum...U need the haircut :P

wtf is wrong with my pc lol

Like miles said every map should be "T sided" because of the number advantage - unless there's only 1 bomb site.

I really don't think you can simplify it like that, there are a lot of other factors that come in to play which can give some advantage to the CTs. Such as bombsite layout to create choke point bottlenecks that the Ts have to move through to enter the site; the fact CTs will most likely already know where the Ts will be entering from yet the Ts will not know where the CTs may be positioned.

B on inf and ramps on nuke are examples.

i want to hear what kram has to say on the issue, i find his insight fascinating

But the T will have equal ammount or more numbers at each of those chokepoints russ, ie : CT's can only afford to put 2 players in ramps 3 max or 2 at B bombsites/3 MAX so therefor they are already at a numbers disadvantage if the T decide to push 4/5 people in 1 area, same works with 1-2 kills in a split, CT force to rotate opening gaps in the map.

T's dont neccesarily know the exact position of the CT's but they have a pretty good idea of the general area there in

only map i really see CT have a good advantage is train because they have awp lines at vines/midcon/ladder/inside before T can

look how many teams win T side nuke in todays game, inferno is usually T but is probly the most balanced, d2 is still T, train has been the only maps that still really CT based atm

train 10-5
nuke 9-6
dust2 5-10
inferno 8-7

yerp....

Whoever controls mid wins, shit map.