cool online! (Y) IM SO EXCITED

x0x0 gossip girl

ps. what a fucking joke

fett braaa ja.

looks good!

"Please note that both QLD and NSW will only feature 1 qualifier with 2 invites"

George, this is indeed 2 invites - no Autos ?

Either way, can you please add the financial particulars of the prizes, i remember a few suggestions, but cant remember the exact breakdown

ha WA gets fucked over agian

:(

when is the 2nd vic qual?

sigh first qual is right before exams and im guessing the 2nd one will be in the middle of them...

bl chizzy

my last exam is Sat 27 November

and the nsw qualifier is on the 28th :s

k33n

stereosonic the day before :(

no loss about WA they make and kill teams like no tomorrow and really they couldn't even get into black for CG.

looks great cant wait :D

damn :( bl that couldnt make it 16 team nationals or 20, really wanted to go to melb but prize money and all the other factors is just too much.

here's hoping CG will do something in the near future

#13 lol'd

sigh exaams... oh well can't please everyone i guess glhf

any autos ?

read burdon

#18 all invites given at the QLD/SYD quals will be given money for flights - as for how much it would presumably depend on turnouts

sounds good ^_^

awesome :) and imo if u cant take 1 day off because of an exam due to needs to study then its already to late

^

5 exams kez.. need as much time as i can get leading up to them

sorry sam only date available :(

Looking good btw cant wait.

yeh still, what u hopin to get/get into?

hey guys, its spitty from xqR. played for x5 in ECN. im back in aus again pretty much for good now. if anyone needs a player for the qld quals or any other quals please let me know :)

"1 will spot will go towards either QLD or NSW and the last spot will be up for grabs in an online qualifier."

instead of giving another spot towards qld or nsw why can't we(WA) hold a LAN qual?

tbh ur just killing off WA and SA

DiDnt your team die only 2 weeks ago??? so your actually killing the WA LaaN SceNE

To #28
(note: the following is my take on things, as i have had a less of a hand in organisation for this nats than last years, but have still offered my opinions/advice to beedee where needed, so if im wrong about what i say here and he wanted to further clarify or correct me then yeh).

With a relatively smaller team limit at the nats (12, as opposed to say 16 or 20) one of the goals was to try to get all the best teams in attendance (which was another reason why there was a small shift to focusing on getting 'autoberths' to all syd/qld teams so everyone is able to actually attend). With only 2 guaranteed spots (atm) for syd/qld, there will still be many good teams who will miss out from those qualifiers, and thats still assuming that there are no upsets too.

Giving an invite directly to WA isnt really giving one to WA, its giving it straight to PGC (or whatever ur team is called now), and while u guys had a great performance at ECN, so did alot of ~3/4th ranked syd/qld teams at pretty much all other nats, and they all have many more results to go off against other top aus teams.

My personal opinion, which i feel very strongly about, is that the 3rd best team in either syd or qld would, much more often than not, be better than you guys - your or other's personal opinions may differ, and thats fine, but even i would admit its impossible to be correct one way or the other about this despite how strongly i feel about my opinion. The whole situation with the recent CG black and ur team dying and massively changing lineup definitely didnt help things either.

For all those reasons, thats why theres an online qualifier with a spot (or possibly 2 spots as said in the article) - where you guys are able to actually earn a spot at the nationals and hopefully prove us wrong and show why you deserve to be there, while still not restricting other top teams from attending that may miss out at their quals.

If the nationals was 16 or 20 teams and had more of a 'community' focus then theres almost no doubt WA would have a qual, but we didnt want to do that again as ECN was still fairly recently and its always good to have a mix of different styles of tournaments. This nationals hopefully will bring in the top 12 teams from australia, where every single team will have atleast some shot of taking out the event (obviously some more likely than others). I hope you guys are able to prove you deserve to be there, and good luck with the online qual.

on a scale of 1-10 about you burning, dave reckons your about an 8.

sponny i really hope you are banned, u fat shit.

thanks dave for clarifying things abit more clearly for me. will this online qual have home/away games? clearly we will be disadvantaged on 100ping?

also how is it giving it directly to my team? it is a qualifier any one can win.

I have no idea how the online qual will work you'd have to ask beedee or wait as im not sure if alot of the specifics have been worked out yet.

And any objective player would definitely agree giving an invite to WA is giving it to you guys, same as giving an invite to SA is giving it to tzunami, you cant really argue against it unless either of the scenes dramatically change.

If giving an invite to WA doesnt mean essentially giving it to you guys, then really theres even less of a reason to hold a qualifier there as literally no other WA team would come close to being competitive at a 12 team aus nats, let alone a 16 or even 20 team one.

that is you're personal opinion. i actually think that a team in WA could do some big damage over east

also am i reading this wrong?

4 - vic
2 - qld
2 - nsw
2 - lcc

where are the last 2 invites?

*EDIT* oh roffey iM & archaic :D

#34 even if you're opinion was right, which i certainly dont think it is nor would many other players i would imagine, would teams other than urself accept the invite?

No other WA team has accepted one in the past what, 4 years? And only 1 of the 4 invites on offer in the past 3 years has been accepted.

Even if you guys werent to win the qualifier, which hasnt happened in years, the invite would still probably trickle to you guys anyway. Whichever way you look at it an invite to WA is an invite to your team.

I agree with dave you wont beat burton again.

i'd say its only in the last two years that WA has died and fish's team is the only stable one. 06/07 we had strong showings from merge/dna/prg who all gave eastern state teams a run for there money, everytime they attended.

and dave, saying theres noone in wa that can compete at nationals without even presenting an opportunity for players to sign up (last official qualifer we had here had most of merge/dna show up in one for or another and also aip)

with the exception of the last few years we have always sent a team to national events and always done well, at the very least better than expected and now were expected to qualify online where no matter what we have delay and as much as you easties whinge about rego, its twice as bad for us.

dave/gc/dna have always run the qualifiers if the numbers register for it, we should have the opportunity to test the waters and if we can get an 8 man qualifer then we should be allowed to run it, otherwise the online route should be a last resort.

in #34 i was referring to AiP(heno spanke elusive hornet diablo), rumors are they have been praccing for a few months now as jay is apparently coming back 2 perth soon

diablo can't carry that hard. Just like benor and oops couldnt carry GUTS.

i dunno about uni exams but if the 2nd melb qual is at the end of november the year 12 exams will be over =)

just like destiny couldn't carry KBS

nvm =P

I SAW IT

I out-awped diablo.

LOL Tim

haha jokes ted if destiny played well you might've won nats :D

wow everytime I come onto dice I see fishballz or one of his buddies having a bitch about something. wow

heno is playing with dotty and hipp0 and rhin0 now, not any WA players

aip would do damage over the east if they keened up, but no.. WA only got these PGC nerds keening up, and getting rolled.. yeah personal opinion.

need team pm

#48

#52

#55

#53

#59?

#56

#58

maybe because every time u come on dice something good is announced and WA get dicked over every time.


you guys are faggots

you're pretty keen imho

lol chiz bahahahaha

WA beat BurtoN on LAN therfore they should be seeded 1st next nationals with flights paid for them.

Awaiting comment from dreamR about certain faggots being faggots...

deedub boys, ECN 2011 will be the reckoning.

But yeah, this looks really keen and im really looking forward to it :D

^^ looks good geo D:

WA do have many players who would be keen to come back and play for decent competitions, but seen as though we keep on getting ignored by the organizers and missing out on spots, they see no point in playing small local comps with no decent prizes.

sif it's eva been about da prizes

looking for team also ^_^

where are the v300 guys andy? ^ or whoever you usually play with?

I think theres a simple solution, WA should get ONE invite - if the team (fbz etc) are willing to cover there costs 100% and not expect any sort of compensation for flights etc.

^ this

and then take it away from better teams #70?

i agree with mojo, WA only have one good team FBZ team. lets say they run a qualifier unless ferg is keen enough to make a team FBZ will win, therefore making a drive through to nationals with no real competition.

it's like running a qual in ACT these low experienced teams make the trip to ACT just so they can swindle a invite to nationals.

there are much better teams in sydney and bris 96/vp/emir/wuxia that will miss out because of the format.

i know its abit crap that WA dont get a chance but just wait it out till next ECN

yeah those 3rd rate teams in brisbane (like wuxia) will miss out

If there was 16 team limit WA would of got a invite 100% but it's a small team nationals, which is a good thing but bad for the less experienced teams. I think the reason it's not a 16 team nationals is because the format won't fit the timeline. Can't keep everybody happy I guess.

#74 i dont know what that means but i was including iM 1st
uprising 2nd

then i found out that iM have auto soo yeah my bad

There are quite a few faggots in here

Pretty shit arguments imo: "Only one team can win the WA qual so they don't get a qual."

May as well just have a 4 team nats if that's your attitude.

i think he was also saying there's only one team who'd realistically pay their own way WAHEL

#79 Which isnt true.

Imho #77 is not offending anyone but at the same time is quite in fact telling the truth imho

oi i skipped through after reading dave's post @ 36 or some shit. Last comp a full WA team went to prior to ECN was AINC in April of 2008. Just wanted to clear that up, thought saying their scene has been dead for four years was a bit extreme

sucks to be in WA, NSW!

#82 I never said there scene had been dead for 4 years

And #78 thats not the reasoning for the no WA qual, post #30 is the reasoning. With only a 12 team nats, one of the goals should be to have the best possible team list (ie no 'filler' teams as u may normally see in a 16 or 20 team nats) - and taking away an invite from the 3rd place syd/qld teams when they, and possibly even 4th/5th, are at the very worst equally-skilled to that of WA's best wasnt really justifiable.

rdd who would then?

Why cant we just make DICENATIONALS a year long and no1 is allowed to leave the venue. Also hosting only to WA teams..

Thats sorted that problem, lets go with the real dicenats now

dave how can you make that claim after we beat the 3rd/4th seed qld teams at ECN(if i'm not mistaken)? I'm not trying 2 say were the best, I know we are mediocre but all I'm saying is that we should have the chance to compete and try too improve.

#85 GMTA would attend nats if they got the chance

The same reason people dont say Boston Deagle are a better team than Immunity even though they beat them at the WCG qualifier - more often than not, Immunity would probably win. Results are all about consistency, and unfortunately there just isnt a consistent string of results from you guys (i know its alot harder for you guys because there is less competitions, but unfortunately thats just the way things are).

You're acting like you guys dont have a chance to qualify - you do, and it may even end up being 2 chances as opposed to 1. All thats happening is that for you to qualify it will be alot harder than it normally would be, and its like that because its in the best interest for this particular tournament.

You didnt seem to have a problem with online competitions a few weeks ago when CG black was announced, infact if i recall correctly you quit cs and ur team died because of how badly you felt you could compete in that division, so i dont see why online should be a problem in a qualifier with even lower quality teams. Will it be hard? Probably. Does it suck? Yeh im sure, but unfortunately thats just how its got to be :(

:(

that's the way the cookie crumbles.

DAVE stole the cookies from the cookie jar.

albz so wise

Dave - The Cookie Crumbler.

NvM!

Seriously I have nothing against the WA guys, I actually like them. But afaik they only have aNh and fishballz from the ECN team.. How do they deserve a straight invite when they have a completely different lineup. Why cant I just make a team and get a invite and say I came 2nd at WCG can you give me a invite? A core2 clearly doesn't deserve Black League and a spot straight at a 12 team nationals.

Nice edit peterg.

Ted came 2nd at WCG give him an invite.

davestr1zl is mr analyst

They aren't 'getting' an invite, they are requesting the opportunity to host a quals?

Just give ted an invite guys, wtf?

Do you pronounce your name 'Way Hell' or 'Whale'

wajel? (silent j)?

#85 My team I know would pay to fly over, and I know of a few other people in gmta that would be keen aswell.

#89 Its hard to show consistency with 80 ping online and when you dont recieve any chances to qualify for LAN

It is pronounced: Warkgh - Hell.

?

Wack - geh - Hell?

It comes right from the back of the throat.

Wahkhel Ahkmed

Good point - who ever responded to me.
So in conclusion after reading all the comments, Fishballs' team is not considered to be in the top 12 thus should not be competing. I completely agree, I mean, they didn't even make it into the black league!

I love peen

there is only 8/9 teams in black though?

v300, iM, KBS (or whatever destiny's new team/lineup is) not included

the str1z pounced hard in #89, and furthermore, at that time (ECN) fbz the 3/4th seeded team ie, burton and qlimax (whichever seed was which) were pug teams who have since changed their lineups
so ya you beat them but you beat them 16-14 and there's a chance they won't even be there, who will be there is kBs type teams who well, beat you allot more convincingly

*still tho just play the online qual

I see all the points and i actually believe you're all right to a certain extent, we will attend the online qual and try do what we can!

fish balls

glad you think iM right, good to hear.

looking for a team... thnx

Why are you all so negative about WA and SA attending.. isn't it supposed to be a Australian wide nationals.

You guys forget that we pay 5x the price to get over there, and even when fbz posts showing how keen we were to come you still shut him down. What happened to people encouraging potential instead of just being smug fucks.

And tbh I don't think fbz is causing all this drama just because he wants to attend a nats, no, we would go there because we know we can make an impact and that's exactly what you won't let us do.

wow these guys are still at it?

What is the ecence of your argument?

#119 You are not being denied the right to participate in this event. There is a limited number of invites and they are being distributed to the bigger states that have more + stronger teams. To teams that are not in these states, they still have a chance to qualify via the online qual. If this nats had more invites to offer, WA would surely receive one.

You're saying PGC can qualify online but we cant get a lan qual? Thats fucked...

these nubs gunna read the thread or just post? rof

x5 was offered the sunrise option during the period, we declined with intent of attending a qualifier. Now we can't make any of the quals due to peoples life commitments and now the sunrise option is not on the table. We now have to qual with 3 players in sydney or rely on us wining the online qual.

Do you see us having a sook?

So things dont work out the way you like, well tough tities. You still have an option to qualify. No offence fbz and to all your team you guys are a great bunch of blokes but you have to understand that 1 good placement doesn't mean your going to get babied.

^ on the money

#125 How does your problem relate to PGC/OGi? You were given a direct invite to the nationals AND an opportunity to play qualifiers on LAN, your teams private life is the team's problem not DICE's. PGC/OGi have to play an online qualifier with 80 ping in hope for even getting an invite.

what im saying is

thats the way the cookie crumbles.

Im not denieing that you are in a bad position, what im saying is things dont always work out the way you like. I could sit here and cry that our team deserves an invite and then i cld tell you how many times our teams have placed in the top 5 but im finding an alternative for our team. If your alternative and ONLY alternative is to play an online qualifier. Play the online qualifier and smash every team. Dont come here and sook about your placings and how WA deserves this and WA deserves that. I know so many more teams who deserve more.

conz love the use of tough titties :D

i can play for x5 at lan if needed :)

stop stealing my lines costa u nub.

LOL cob

Does it matter if a team deserves to be in a nats and WA gets an invite? Its a "NATIONALS" not an eastern state comp.

If the teams you think should be in nats, maybe they should of won their qualifier.

The fact that WA doesnt even get a chance to play a qualifier is just really sad, and I expected more from you beedee when you were asking me what the best qual for WA was.

Going by that logic, we should be giving invites to SA, WA, ACT, NT, TASMANIA - but we dont, and theres a reason for it, and its been like that since as long as i can remember.

Also Archaic.NZ shouldnt be allowed to attend because they're not an australian team at an australian 'national' event.

WA teams do have a chance to play a qualifier, it just so happens to be a qualifier that other-state teams also are able to attend (which in reality, is no different to how it is at lan quals in the past couple of years), in order to ensure that the best possible 12 teams are in attendance and no top teams miss out.

UM DOES NT GET A QUAL? BECAUSE I WOULD TO RUN ONE OVER THERE!

it will be 2 teams my team and the other team will be the natives and they will play cs in exchange for some beer

does that get a qual?

and for people who think i dont have credentials um WCG 10 thanks

WA does have a chance if a online qual is runned but x5 will be playing for that spot too

Yeah and thats still unfair and is a stupid rule. Going by that logic yes they should get atleast 1 vote. Why dont you all just rename it to Dice-CantBeFuckedWithAus, JustEasternStates Cup.

You're giving 4 invites to Vic when only 2 to Syd and Qld. Archaic.NZ probs shouldnt be allowed to attend but the management is Australian so you can make your own mind up.

I have no problem except that you're shutting out teams with some good players in WA. Even if we came last it wouldnt matter.

Did WCG say to Aus not to come because they wouldnt be competition? No, instead iM attended and got dominated.

Why is sponny still here, I haven't seen a single one of his posts in this thread relating to the article.

#135 You cant really compare the World finals of the WCG to this event, they are completely different. If for example there was only a 12-team limit to WCG, do you think then that iM/australia would still get a spot?

If we gave 1 spot to all of WA/SA/NT/TAS/ACT we'd be left with very few teams for the main states, and fact is there are more higher quality teams in the main states. As ive said previously several times, due to the smaller team limit one of our main goals was to ensure that all of the best teams attend. This is different to perhaps the recent ECN which has a more community focus with 20 slots for all different states.

The reason VIC has more spots is because it is the host state, same as WCG in Sydney has more sydney teams, and ECN in had more QLD teams. Another bonus on top of that is that a VIC team attending the event is completely free for the organisers, compared to other states which have to be gifted 'autoberths'. It is always purely the host state's qualifiers that earn any kind of money for any nationals, while at the same time they are not rewarded with an interstate trip. The least they should be rewarded with is an extra slot over other states.

We're not shutting out WA teams, nor SA, ACT, etc - if they want to attend the event they can attend the online qualifier like all other remaining teams. The only thing we're shutting out, as blunt as this is going to sound, is 'bad' teams, as everyone team attending will have to earn their spot, and it wont be easy for any team regardless of what state you're from. This is done in order to ensure the best possible teams and highest quality of competition are attendance in the relatively limited size national competition. I'm sorry if this doesnt work out for you, i really am, but there will undoubtedly be more events for you to attend in the future.

Solution: FBZ run your own nationals in WA.

And aslo on daves note; due to having 4 invites for melbourne (the host), more teams/possibly qualifiers are able to be run to generate revenue for the autobirths/flights.

I can't believe WA even think they have a right to attend the nationals, whats next will they want women to be able to vote?

Don't have anything against archaic.nz but thats pretty dumb how they take a spot at an Australia nationals when another Australian team could play. You can talk about how good they are or whatever but does it really matter? I didn't really think WA deserve a invite but after seeing NZ having a spot over another Australian team is actually retarded... Like I said nothing against Archaic I think they're great guys just find it really unfair for other teams in aus.

I'll qual online, farmerz in biz bois..

Solution, rename it DICE Eastern Cup LOL.

Although I don't exactly agree on the "taking invites away from other teams" argument thrown about by the organizers, it's obvious they're not going to change their mind. You're just going to have to cop it on the chin!

IMO we should be ENCOURAGING a (proper) team that's willing to pay out of their own pocket to travel across the country and represent their state. With Australian CS dwindling I don't see how it's productive to deny one of our states representation in a national competition because you believe it may lower the quality of the counter-strike..? I mean... seriously?

But yer, qual online and prove every one wrong!

^

Well, the NZ team would be attending to push the current skill level of Aus cs teams to hopefully new limits so we can be more competitive with teams overseas.

Hey guys,
I am searching a team for the upcoming competition.
I won the national WCG qualifier 2003 in Germany and won a couple of tournaments. If you have any questions about my playing career I am happy to answer it. My nickname is Sodayi and I live in Sydney - Paddington.

Steam-Acc: sodayi@ocrana.com

Please no rookie teams.

LOL @ how pretty you are irl

my e-mail adress does not equal the steam adress
e-mail: samiri@gmx.de

I was going to post in here but I completely forgot!

Providing the information I have is correct...

Why are we excluding a team that is prepared to pay its own way to the event? I must say its very similar to the Archaic.NZ attendance. Obviously there's a skill difference involved as well - but if they are paying their way, shouldn't it be considered the same as having an extra invite to WA (zero cost)?

It gives the event more money to pay for teams that do struggle to get there if you make them pay some sort of fee similar to the sunrise that iM/Arc have paid.

I was under the assumption 1.6 was focusing on growth at the moment? :\

Just my 2c (if indeed said WA team was prepared to pay their own way)

P.S. Why would you say a NZ team wouldn't be allowed to attend? NZ is practically a part of Australia haha. If we had any other international team wanting to attend we'd let them at the drop of a hat (provided they were at least decent)

we can easily pay our own way there, all tho a WA qual should happen before we are just invited of the bat, make it fair for every one..

do we get an invite too because we cant attend quals ???? because we can pay our own way too

I live about 20 minutes from Midcity. I can pay my OWN way there, can i get an invite aswell???

^ i like this dekz guy

FBZ you gotta remember 12 teams nationals
1 online qual just play in that
and if your too laggy well bl thats life

Sponny, you got an invite for that exact reason and declined it, ya douchebag.

At the end of the day, EMC placed second at the first VIC qual and you're giving VIC 4 spots and rejecting a WA qual based on a "quality rather than quantity argument".

Based on your arguments Dave, what's the point in even having qual's just invite the 12 teams you think are the best, because that's essentially what you're doing anyway.

Yeh same with us, only got core 2 in each state. Willing to pay guy

Also #154 you cant really say oh EMC came 2nd, wheres xqR, v300 and VHM?

Well I can, because they did?

You're saying EMC came 2nd like melbourne is shit and WA should get a spot but? Otherwise theres no reason for you to say 'EMC came 2nd'. Not like they guy a invite sped cunt.

If you take away a VIC spot and give it to a non-auto WA qual as they are requesting, you aren't removing any funds from the pool.

wahel, it seems that you're associating the name EMC with bad. EMC deserved second at that qualifier for playing fairly solid. If they didn't then obviously one of the other teams at the qualifier would have risen up and taken a spot in the finals.
It also seems that for placing second in this qualifier you're rating VIC a state with quantity and not quality. If you looked through the registrations there was an abundance of absents from all the top players. Like ted said, xqR, v300, VHM etc.
So yes in the end EMC placed second but had the other teams been there the most that would've changed is which team got the invitation and obviously the placings which wouldn't have mattered since tbe format would've changed etc.


just my 2cents.

tonyT would have come 2nd regardless of the teams

#159 Yes we would, because we would be removing an invite from VIC, meaning even less teams would attend qualifiers (especially later ones), and possibly even less qualifiers at all as we currently have 3-4 quals planned.

And #153 teams still have to earn their spot at the nats, and we still want to give as many teams as possible atleast a chance to qualify, or atleast attend qualifiers and just play and have fun (and maybe cause some upsets).

#162

Ironic as your not giving us a chance to even run a qualifier period, which comes to no cost to dicevip or any of the sponsors but force us to qualify online, where almost every online event ever run in Australia has been rampant with issues and the ping issues alone is unfair. Fact of the matter is, DNA and MERGE do no exist anymore and despite the performances of PRG and PGS at home and at nationals we will never be seen in the same light as those players you consider to be the best in wa, obviously neither of us have achieved or come close to what those guys did but i imagine if some of the dna guys made a mix team and wanted to go to nats, you would find them a way to do so.

Australia's number 1 problem is that the old stick with the old and snub the new.

As i have said many times though, we're not restricting you from playing qualifiers, qualifying, and attending the nationals though, its just going to be harder for you guys than it normally would at other events. But you're right, we're not giving WA qualifier, nor SA, ACT, etc either.

And as for if DNA players were to make a mix and keen to play, i would still stand by and support the current decision that has been made (not that it was really me that made it in the first place, but i definitely support it and all im doing in this thread is explaining the reasoning behind the decision).

Lack of respect.

AHhaah Rizza the iNS|Defend0r

You don't think WA can get 6 teams to a qual?

How can't you give WA a chacne to have lan qual? and attend a nats? the NZ/NC teams have a better chance to qual online due do better ping then WA players... "i would still stand by and support the current decision that has been made" so even if ur wrong ur standing by it. its not to late!

4 vic
2 qld
2 nsw
1 wa - no financial assistance.
1 online
2 sunrise.

BaM.

^ wahel y not one at ACT or SA then? why does WA get that qual

see.. the unfairness

I agree with cobbie. Either way its going to be unfair 1 way or another. They cant have anymore than 12 teams if they want to fit it in 2 days and to give away spots from vic/qld/nsw is unfair since they have been running strong since day 1. WA/SA/ACT come and go in patches. At the end of the day its going to be unfair either way but they have obviously thought about it hard with more than 1 person. Also like GoMeZ said wait till ECN, the whole point of ECN is for the whole community thats why its a 20 team nationals.

<3

#171

do ACT and SA have decent pings online?

yeah

win a nats fishballz

#171 ACT can drive up to sydney...

+ look at SA/ACT pings then have a look at ours

Are SA/ACT both complaining about not getting a chance to run a qualifier? We can make 6 teams, more most of the time when the sourcers get keen. ACT and SA both get good pings to east, look at ghost in ipgn. Unless you are on telstra here in WA, you get minimum 70ping - not including choke and general lag issues, you guys whinge about playing against us as much as anyone else. The qualifier would be run and funded by us, so would our trip, the only thing thats costing the "organizers" is releasing an invite to us. Every single event in Australia to do date has at least offered an invite to WA and even for smaller national events (i do believe MERGE attended a 8team event, could be wrong though), key word there though, national event, this is now an eastern states event, not national, unless you wanna make ferg = whole of wa, then it can be justified i suppose.

The lan center can be be booked any time, there are currently 3 active teams in wa, 10+ players not active that have expressed interest in playing the qual and the sourcers never miss a chance to rub a win in our face.

Why are you guys still complaining? It's not happening.

^ i like ted

no dice gettit? :D

#179 agreed. online qual lez do it!