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CyberGamer Season 2 CGp Semi-Finals
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12-06-2011 11:57pm

Black league has finally gotten around to finishing off the games for the season, with an inevitable tie coming between the winners of the game from Bestnless v Archaic.nz and Athletico, the finals were pushed back in hope of getting the game played out properly. Unfortunately Bestnless did not wish to play out the game when they were told that they could not make finals as Athletico had previously beaten them head-to-head.

Therefore we have a tie between Athletico and Archaic.NZ, which in the case of two teams, comes down to the head-to-head match up to decide the final placing. The two teams met back in the 5th round and unfortunately for Athletico, Archaic.NZ won the match with a pretty convincing scoreline of 16-1. Better luck next time Athletico.

Congratulations to Archaic.NZ on making the finals, they will be facing off against Mindfreak.RAZER whilst Exile 5 will be taking on third place finishers Archaic.AU over the following maps in the best of three format.

- de_inferno
- de_train
- de_dust2

Teams have the option to reschedule their games to any time this week, at the latest, teams will be allowed to play at 7:00pm AEDT on Sunday 19th June. Teams need to contact eachother and an admin as soon as possible with their desired timeslot or make clear any issues they may have.

Black

SemiFinals


CGi SemiFinals
     

 22/6/11 - 8:00PM Australia Mindfreak.RAZER
vs Archaic.NZ New Zealand

 16/6/11- 8:30PM
Australia Archaic.AU
vs Exile 5 Australia

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1. 
 13/06/11 12:00am
Congrats to Archaic on getting both teams into finals btw
2. 
 13/06/11 12:15am
Calling out the shit blokes for shit blokery
3. 
 13/06/11 01:14pm
EDITED
they had 2 separate weeks to field 5 yet on the 2nd week they didnt get 5 in time so we bailed, then we got told it was a tie (afaik info from pac/mike)

So we were under the impression admins followed there own rules as stated in CG that its a forfeit, we didnt play the 'rematch'
4. 
 13/06/11 01:31pm
slacK
5. 
 13/06/11 01:35pm
EDITED
Actually, Archaic.NZ had 4 in the server and one dropped due to eac just as it was going live. Freshtaku then proceeded to say GG and left 8 seconds after this guy dropped, with the rest of Bestnless following... You did not wait for an admin to make a decision and it wasn't even beyond 15 past at that point...

I don't know where you got this 'tie' from, perhaps you should have waited for an admin to say something before making up your own minds.

After this, we then tried to get you guys to reschedule again to play the game out but Bestnless were not interested. I PM'd several members of Bestnless throughout the week in hope of finding out what the decision was but no one would reply.

At the end of the day, it was a shit situation and I apologize to the teams involved for the delay, players need to wait for admins to make their decision instead of trying to make it up for them.
6. 
 13/06/11 01:58pm
at exactly 7:45 their 4th joined the server then dropped straightaway. At this stage it was 15 minutes and they didnt have the minimum 4 in the server. We offered them several rescehdules as a courtesy because they couldnt make the intial scehduled time and they still didnt field enough players. We apologize if everyone left the server promptly but some players had css matches and 1 player had to leave. We have no intention of wasting another night on this match when it doesn't affect us at all, I know this is harsh but they should have been forfieted for not fielding enough players.
7. 
 13/06/11 02:12pm
And perhaps we would have forfeited them if you had waited another minute for us to say so...
8. 
 13/06/11 02:29pm
please dont talk bullshit, it just makes you look bad..
9. 
 13/06/11 02:36pm
Where is the bullshit?
10. 
 13/06/11 02:36pm
so you are saying that you would have forfieted them if we stayed for another minute in the server?

If that is the case then you've punished Athletico by not letting them get into finals just so you can punish us for leaving a minute early... I am sorry but sounds very silly to me.
11. 
 13/06/11 02:42pm
^
12. 
 13/06/11 02:54pm
EDITED
im in archaic and im very good mates with both squads, we couldnt even make finals anyway i dont think so i didnt care/have bias. I was pointing out how dodge that decision is

Archaic cant make the first proper scheduled game
BestNless have 5 ready to go

Archaic makes the reschedule for a time next week they can all make

BestNless has 5 ready to go at the reschedule
Archaic has 2 players until 15 minutes after the starting time (technically this is a forfeit, bad sportsmanship or not, a W is a W.)

Archaic has 2 more players join after 15 minutes of the original start date of the match (game has technically been forfeited under CG rules) Bringing there total to 4 players
BestNless leaves the server after waiting 20 minutes and 2 reschedules

An open-closed case to me if rules were followed to the T like they should be in 'sport'
13. 
 13/06/11 02:55pm
If you had stayed in the server and waited for an admins decision then either the game would have A) been played out because Archaic might have had the 4th player return in that time B) May have decided to forfeit Archaic if he did not return.

I cannot say what would have happened but I can say that one of the two would have occurred if Bestnless just stayed in the server instead of leaving... How hard was it to just stay for an admins decision.

We tried to get you guys to play out the game, we even pushed back finals just for you guys. We did not punish Athletico, in fact we took every measure to try and get the game played out in order to reach a proper outcome but it came down to Bestnless's actions that stopped that from happening.

Had you stayed in the server for another minute for an admins response then perhaps something else may have occurred but you neither did that nor made an effort to reschedule another time.
14. 
 13/06/11 02:59pm
EDITED
And no, Archaic had 4 in the server right on 15 minutes if you want to go to the logs, we have looked at them...

Every admin was in a meeting after the game about what to do and we all concluded that we took the right course of action, there isn't any reason to continue arguing this as the decision has been made and won't be reversed no matter how you try to twist it.
15. 
 13/06/11 03:02pm
Drag0n, rizE is right, that's a forfeit. ArchaicMSi NZ should have been given a loss.

Apologies for not being around - but if #12 is what happened - that's what you should have done.
16. 
 13/06/11 03:03pm
Thats the thing, bestnless dont have to wait after 15 minutes because thats a forfeit win? they should automatically be given the win and not have to make a choice if they want to reschedule or not, might be bad sportsmanship but thats not the point, the point is the decision made was wrong

Ceebs arguing anymore anyway, u guys have had a fair bit of abuse thrown towards you this season so im not gonna push this more, gl arc and rest of finals teams
17. 
 13/06/11 03:04pm
i dont think anyone is trying to get any decisions overturned, they were just saying why they didnt play the 3rd rescheduled time, and i think its justified. gl to all finalists! sorry to athletico, i personally would have still played the 3rd reschedule had admins not just decided to change rules to make sure we dont make finals, in the process telling us not to listen to talnoy(owner of cg) he doesnt know what he is talking about. I understand admins might have there own rules, but as someone stated in the other thread, the precedent was already set.
18. 
 13/06/11 03:06pm
^
19. 
 13/06/11 03:07pm
readd me on steam aswell cunts (i didnt delete anyone) some fucking geek hacked my account from sweden ROFL....
20. 
 13/06/11 03:11pm
yeah, nice work on losing your account idiot
21. 
 13/06/11 03:13pm
out of 400 pcs mine gets keylogged, dont think you can get anymore booked than that
22. 
 13/06/11 03:17pm
fuck off miles you like boys
23. 
 13/06/11 03:20pm
HAHA
24. 
 13/06/11 03:25pm
David Jennings needs to sort out this mess
25. 
 13/06/11 03:25pm
EDITED
Pandan #12 was not what happened, Archaic had 4 in the server just on 15 minutes and that's why this all went into confusion...

The game was supposed to go live but Bestnless, operating under the assumption that a forfeit would be a finals spot for them had different ideas and also apparently had time constraints.

The first reschedule was issued by Archaic a day before the game was to be played (Monday 30th May), they said 'can we push it back to 9.30' which Bestnless said they couldn't do so they agreed to play on another date.

Bestnless then said that they could only play at 7:30 on Tuesday (7th of June i think) and Archaic agreed. Archaic just scraped in with 4 at 7:45 and the fiasco ensued.

When it was decided that neither team should be forfeited we took it out of both teams hands and told them to re-schedule and gave them a week to do so.

This is how things really happened. I will go and get the logs and screenshots from in-game if someone wants to dispute this.
26. 
 13/06/11 03:28pm
Nobody wants to change the result; we are where we are. We're mostly looking at consistency/ruleset etc.
27. 
 13/06/11 03:39pm
EDITED
We have a 'to be done for next season' thread over at CG where all the admins have put ideas forward. There is a long list of things to do and we will make sure everything is covered for next season (to the best of our ability).

We will also make a post on dice to get community input when the season draws closer.

Apologies for the mishaps of this season, we didn't have some things written down in the rules (which btw I don't blame the person who wrote them) as obviously you can't always think of everything and only become aware of something that needs defining when it comes up in practice.
28. 
 13/06/11 03:47pm
#26 gl to teams in finals.

We do understand the difficulties of admining sometimes hard decisions have to be made in process. I think CG will only continue to improve over the seasons and I think the admin have been doing well so far. Thanks for the season and definitely looking forward to the next.
29. 
 13/06/11 03:51pm
and we almost didnt get to play in invite...bahah
30. 
 13/06/11 03:53pm
stfu dav1o lol....... ya giant n00b
fzer0 is dead move on
31. 
 jks
 13/06/11 04:02pm
im retarded, when am i playing? someone tell me.
32. 
 13/06/11 04:14pm
You are sorting out a time with Archaic.au (Who i think want to play on Sunday 19th @ 7:00pm)
33. 
 13/06/11 04:35pm
im just confirming with our guys justin but me and sam are talking about thursday 930
34. 
 jks
 13/06/11 04:41pm
ok david kaye that's good to know m8, thanks for the update.
35. 
 13/06/11 10:00pm
anyone need a slut?
36. 
 13/06/11 11:04pm
Sucks this happens so close to finals. Gl to Archaic.NZ
37. 
 14/06/11 08:36pm
LOL otis
38. 
 15/06/11 02:58pm
ahhh coco
39. 
 16/06/11 03:54pm
Update on match times!

Archaic.AU vs Exile 5
Thursday 16th June (Tonight) @ 8:30pm
hltv - hltv.cybergamer.com.au:22021

Mindfreak.RAZER vs Archaic.NZ
Wednesday 22nd June @ 8:00pm
hltv - hltv.cybergamer.com.au:22022

The Archaic.NZ v Mindfreak game had to be pushed back a week as the players have exams and both teams agreed to delay.

We will still try to play out the grand-final game in the same week that the Archaic.NZ v Mindfreak game is played if everything goes smoothly...
40. 
 20/06/11 10:04am
EDITED
For the record:

I am sorry we couldnt field 5 on the second night but please read the following before you attack us:

Week one: I asked for a reschedule as many teams have done this season as I had basketball at this time. Your team decided that you could only play at 7:30. I then offered to delay the game to 8:00, proposing that i rush home so we can field 5. Your team declined, saying you could only play 7:30.

Your team then stated that you were unavailable to play any other time in the week.

Week two: After one week of me trying to contact your players and team around 6-8 times, you finally decided the only time you could play again was 7:30 on a Tuesday. Once again i had basketball and was annoyed at the fact you could only commit to 1 hour time frame in 1 whole week. I agreed anyways as i wanted the game to be played and arranged for two reserves to fill the spot.

Week 2 - I AM SORRY we did not have 5 in. Simcore had steam issues (extneral) and vandadium was geting kicked for EAC failure. I am not sure of the exact situation but i am told we had 4.

The game was then rescheduled for sunday in which all 5 of us, were on time, and were in the server. You didnt show up nor did you tell us you werent gonna show up. I once again tried to contact your team mutiple times (forums/steam/mirc).

41. 
 20/06/11 10:06am
It seems pretty unfair you could only 7:30 - 8:30, and wouldnt even play half an hour later.

I tried to contact your team multiple times and you were being very difficult. I have no sympathy for you, it was badluck that on the second week our players had external problems, but dont try make it out like were the bad guys.

IMO
42. 
 21/06/11 09:23pm
NUKED
43. 
 21/06/11 10:10pm
that's not very nice
44. 
 22/06/11 12:39am
NUKED
45. 
 22/06/11 12:40am
NUKED
46. 
 22/06/11 08:03pm
EDITED
Mindfreak.Razer vs ArchaicMSI.nz now

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47. 
 22/06/11 09:37pm
2-0 MindFreak

Badluck archaic, Good luck to mindfreak in finals.
48. 
 22/06/11 09:40pm
WD Mindfreak and bl Archaic.
49. 
 22/06/11 11:24pm
What a suprise (lol)
50. 
 23/06/11 01:46am
Looking forward to being the best online team in Australia, going to be even better when we back it up at lan. Good luck v300.
51. 
 23/06/11 02:31am
EDITED
In all seriousness though, im content with 2nd place because im pretty sure the whole world knows that v300 are unbeatable online. And if that wasnt enough you have KraM sitting behind his monitor with a 96 page A4 exercise book filled with counter-strats. But its ok because even if he had a 1000 page book, he will never have a counter-strat to me knifing him at lan.
52. 
 23/06/11 02:34am
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