Schedule: Teams are to be present and ready at 9:30am sharp for a 10am start.
All registration money is to be paid in full ($150 per team), before teams are allocated their seats.
Alias, Outplayed, and Romulus are not required until 11am.
At this point in time, there will be 1 x Autoberth and 2 x Invites up for grabs at this comp. More information regarding this to follow.
- Ghost talking is NOT permitted - Once your screen goes black, you cannot communicate with your team, or press scoretab
- Mwheel binding to duck is not permitted.
- 32bit smoke is enforced and you will be DQ'd if you use anything otherwise
- Flashbugging will incur a 3 round deduction.
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BRACKET
2009 WCGAU.QLD Qualifier
Mapcycle - Train, Dust2, Nuke, Inferno, Tuscan
Details regarding the GenCon exhibition will be available on the day (this sunday).
We wish all teams competing on the day the best of luck, and look forward to seeing you all Sunday morning.
FINAL STANDINGS
1st 
Alias - davio, kurandus, messi, yaman, snakew0w - Autoberth
2nd Romulus - dekkO, takita, kNyz, peetyG, fizz-e - Invite
3rd Outplayed Rookie - aspire, goomba, syliX, eddieE, sponny - Invite
4th CTG - animus, jdn, falcon, sai, padz
my only issue: "predict it" is disabled on the bracket..LOL! :D
gl all teams tomoz
edit: ted if you want an explanation you can pm me on irc
will ALIAS/Romulus upper bracket final start nowish or will there be a break jim? :D
CTG! playing awesome today, massive underdogs in the comp.
also will demos be available?
there was an issue RE sai mwheeling, so not sure what the verdict will be there.
gg thanks to mike and jim in tough conditions
also sorry for my massive furnace moment
Thanks to jim/mike for sticking it out amidst bad conditions
cu @ sydney!
already made enough mistakes today due to extreme tiredness!
and since it's not here yet, we ended up winning the final 16-5 16-2
EDIT: Oh and congrats then ALIAS, again.
Congratulations ALIAS
DEMOS?!?!?!?!?!???!??!?!??!?!????!?!?!?!?!?!?
Thanks Mike and Jim as usual, and gg to everyone we played.
I'm sure if an admin or someone actually mentioned it to him he would have stopped.
Secondly, even if it was unbound, the results would have remained the same, CTG defeating OPR 16-14, as he did not use it for its exploit (full speed bopping). From what i saw he only used it to bop over boxes and around a corner.
That being said, I will support the admins in whatever decision they make, as it is a tough one. I can see both sides of the story, but I have to say i observed some very poor sportsmanship. Some of the tempers and the underhandedness that went on just to win a match/qual. It still is just a game in the end boys.
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If by some chance someone did sneek up to his pc and rebind it (as you do..) then again its his own responsibility to check his own settings and config.
"even if it was unbound, the results would have remained the same, CTG defeating OPR 16-14, as he did not use it for its exploit (full speed bopping). From what i saw he only used it to bop over boxes and around a corner."
The simple fact he had it bound (whether it was used for bopping or not) is still exploiting it, even if it was just bopping over boxes or around corners thats still an unfair, illegal, advantage he has over all other players in the comp.
the actual act of going in and rebinding it shows a _blatant_ disregard for the rules. i'd prefer to see a DQ so it sends a message that it won't be tolerated at future comps, learn to do it properly like everyone else
was fairly suprised at the sportsmanship shown by a couple of the outplayed players, personally there was heaps of players breaking the dead talking and pressing tab when your dead rules so pretty much every team would lose all the rounds they won if it was going to be enforced...
also the fact that outplayed went and played around with someone's config is pretty average and tampering with other competitiors equiptment in most other sports you would be in a fair amount of trouble..
just my 2cents but hopefully the admins make the right decision
and on the note of "him having a distinct advantage over all other players at the competition", people can easily use control or any other button just as effectively, mwheel is just a lot easier if you are trying to silent run, which he not only didnt do, but doesnt know how to do.
atm is it outplayed word vs ours, and i just find it...well frustrating that a ruling can be made from this, even after apparently last night a "final ruling" was made
(note: im not saying you should/shouldnt get dq'd or anything, just pointing that out)
As soon as the game finished vin walked up to his pc and scrolled down, and mwheel was once again bound to duck.
on snake's note, i know i was too aggressive and i have already appologised but it was infuriating that he could rebind it and use it again after being found to be using it and seemingly get away with it...?
"..From what i saw he only used it to bop over boxes and around a corner."
The whole sliding around the corner thing (only happens with mwheel) is the whole reason its banned in the first place, so how can you say he wasn't exploiting it...
as for pete, both admins saw that it was bound at the end of our game, and "unbind mwheeldown" was still there in his console from before the game, so it was obvious that he had bound it again... both admins saw this and "not just some burning rookies"
i can see how it looks like sour grapes or poor sportsmanship, but i shook their hands and walked back into the booth to pack up before i found out sai was mwheeling again, i had accepted the loss, and i was disappointed but i wasn't burning... They played well regardless, but if someones going to be able to exploit the rules under the idea that nothing happens then wheres the integrity of it all gone?
it's just neat how this only becomes some grand issue of rules, authority, justice and liberty AFTER the 2nd seeded team get knocked out by onliner underdogs.
Had OPR won, the 3 rounds would not have been deducted from CTG with the logic that it didn't affect the outcome of the game so it didn't matter. It STILL didn't affect the outcome of the game, its just that they lost and as far as everyone watching was concerned who wasn't in outplayed rookies and isn't gonzo they deserve to go nats.
I'm happy for CTG to get -3. But if a SINGLE person mwheels next comp regardless of the score line and which teams are playing and they don't cop -3 rounds. This whole process is a joke.
As for the 'ruleset' everyone is preaching... No deadtalking and no pressing tab were both very stronly worded rules and neither were enforced particularly strongly... Does the overlooking of one rule, make it right to overlook another? Of course it doesnt and I'm not saying it does... However what he did, absolutely did NOT change the outcome of the game.
Make changes to the way we do things at LAN and the level to which rules are policed... Im all for that but don't martyr CTG because they won the game by outplaying the other team and outshooting them.
The better team should go to nats and on the day it was CTG.
If there is any kind of wildcard for this event, CTG should be #1 team to get this as they rightfully earned their place at nationals and deserve to go.
And you idiots are complaining because you were the ones who got caught? That's even more disgusting than actually doing it.
If it was such an issue to you you should have gone to the admin and informed them so they could apply the appropriate warning or punishment. NOT wait till after the loss then use that as a reason for a win.
At this present point in time, the Queensland community relies on the honesty, and self policing of rules and guidelines. The simple fact is, it is not always possible for Mike and myself to be on hand for every single situation and issue and we rely on members of the community to take action and resolve problems, before they become issues.
It has become more and more apparent to myself and Mike that there needs to be stringently enforced rules and guidelines that don't allow you to think for yourselves or even allow you to make your own judgments between right and wrong. We relied on the honesty and good nature of everyone on the day to adhere to the rules that were clearly outlined on both the DiceVip and ESAU websites. Don't get me wrong, the vast majority of people played in the right spirit, and displayed enough self control to stop themselves from taking advantage of situations where admins were not present.
This whole situation comes as a kick in the face to both Mike and myself who have worked hard to get Queensland CS to a point where everyone involved in the community can turn up and compete in a relaxed and enjoyable environment. Do we have to wind back the clock 5 years where games were over-policed? It's becoming increasingly clear that this is something people want.
To the issue of CTG and mwheel, it was unacceptable that mwheel was bound in the first place, and the simple fact that it was rebound to mwheel after initial intervention only compounds the issue, making it unacceptable. This was not apparent to us at the time, and given that it was already 10:30 with another 2, possibly 3 games left in the tournament, Alias vs CTG was played where it probably shouldn't have been. An error in judgment from 2 very tired admins nearing the end of their tether. Simply put, it was a poor error in judgment from Aaron, which in the end has lead to the match being over turned. There will not be any more matches played to sort out standings beyond those of the qualifier yesterday. As it stands, CTG will finish 4th, and all members of the team will be eligible to take an invite, should another spot be given to QLD, something that will be finalised some time this week.
CTG played brilliantly yesterday, and frankly nobody denies that they did not deserve their wins. I do not feel that the mwheel had any impact on the game that I played against CTG and subsequently lost, we were simply beaten. However, rules are rules, and they are there to be followed...
i just want to point out the ramifications of this decision. this call, motivated as it is not just by the admins but by an apparent outpouring of community sentiment, sets a standard for adherence to the rules and the meting out of punishments for infractions that has never been adhered to in the four years i've been lanning (with the single incredibly atypical instance of crackyer's fbombs which 90% of you nerds won't remember anyway) and places a huge onus on not just the admins but the qld community to make sure that this standard is adhered to rigidly in the future. it's up to the players to actually put their money where their mouths have been in this little dispute and hold themselves and the people around them to a standard before now unseen in bris cs. seriously, if i sit down at a pc to play a comp game and DON'T have a swarm of smiling helpful faces offering to check me for opengl, 32bit, mwheel, stopsound, crouch to multiple keys, etc next time i lan...fuck every last one of you for hypocrisy.
so uh, gl with that. if you're comfortable with the idea of punishing a group of players just because they won when they "shouldn't" have and then forgetting about it and letting things slide back to where they were prior, you're about 23048023748372 times scummier than anyone who's ever mwheeled on lan, whatever the circumstances. jus' saiyan, br0s.
I think this is a wakeup call for all Brisbane players to actually follow the rules, just a shame that it has come to this rather than players actually wanting to compete against each other in a fair and respectful manner.
YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED
it all comes down to the fact that jim and mike dont have the resources to admin a comp completely flawlessly. and while they do a damn good job there is always going to have to be some onus on the players to abide by the rules.
i know i had nothing productive to say on sunday about it, but honestly i just wanted to get our games played and get the hell out of there.
Since Elysium opened comps there have been played in fantastic spirit and have been run perfectly by jim and mike and one fuck around with 1 game isnt going to change the fact that the QLD community is stronger now than it has been in many many years and nobody wants to take a backwards step.
I fully support the decision made by jim and i believe, regardless of my actual opinion on the subject, to be the right lawful decision regarding what went down on sunday.
CTG have copped it and they are keen for more LAN events and jim has done everything in his power to get another invite for QLD so they can still go to nats. How much more compassion can you show CTG than that? EVERYONE understands it was a shit outcome but the fact is its the right decision.
I'm agreeing with sammcf im principle here about more players taking some of the workload of jim and mike and as i outlined in my writeup of this event, they not only run the whole show on the day but also play. I often help players with PC problems and getting their PC right and working correctly but thats not for everyone to do.
I have never felt better about where the CS community in QLD is right now and it would be a crying shame if everyone just didnt man up and move forward after this. OPR acted uncivil and they know this and have since appologised which is fine and everyone can understand their frustration. CTG copped the decision like troopers and are keen for more lan and to prove themselves again. Jim and Mike have made the right decision and everyone knows it, then have tried to do the right thing by CTG as well. This issue has nothing to do with anyone else, myself included so lets put it to bed and move forward.
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I still think making decisions like this based on heresay sets a dangerous precedent. Players should contact an admin if they suspect there is an issue instead of fiddling round on another players PC and then complaining about what they think they saw later on. It could get real messy.
I hope there's another invite for CTG or even a QLD Qual #2 :D
The comments on deadtalking and team tabbing have been just in this comp but as there is no more deadtalking comps for another year I wouldn't be too phased about that point. Us as a team tried to the best of our ability to not deadtalk. we definatly didnt team tab. It may have been nice for all teams to just try and get comfortable doing that as it will only make your team mates play better in the long run.
I thank jim and mike for coming to a conclusion about the matter and i think my team was upset that we didnt get to go further down the comp but i was pretty much over cs come 2pm and as my mood normally gets replicated very easily through my team its no suprise there was 3 furnances(I wasn't one of them LOLOLOL) at the end of the day.
I would like to point out that CTG played well to a degree and we played terrible to a degree. But there was some sort of flashbug in round 6 which was picked up by our team we made the comment and continued playing till the end of match. It was unfortunate that demos at elysium aren't working at the momemnt.
I know its sort of a spit in the face at elysium to say the day was terrible but really it was. All the elysium staff were helpfull during the comp and sammy was no doubt trying to solve the problem as best he could. Koregaming who were in the booth with us (I think) tried hard all day played 3 games off the top of my head and were buggered come 5 when there last match finished.
I had to warmup 4 times for 4 matches and people not joining the server so i could shoot someone was really annoying then tking and being funny buggers was even worse.
A final point I would like to make about this whole issue is that I believe there was a flasbug in round 6 of the game. I stated this during and after the game. We didnt go hunting a win due to sour grapes we were pretty accepting of our fait after the game. Nor did I do anything unsportsmanlike. I just think it was a combination of being time poor and fatigue rich.
I know most players feel the mwheel rule to be retarted and a mickey mouse rule but I think most of those players are the ones that burn about it more than others as they would be doing it too.
What was funny though was we got kicked out of the booth for being too raudy due to complaints from the wow free acount greasers for talking it out quietly and civilized unlike outside the booth.
Also we came to the conclsuion of why the net was shit on the day guys. CS updates apparntly there were 3 updates over the weekend and it was causing wow to laag and by wow i mean the internetz. UPDATES UPDATES UPDATES.
Pre Game, Jack tells Scott that sai is wheeling, scott goes over to confront him, He denies it. Scott then checks himself with Sai present and finds he is mwheeling. It is then unbound. When they are warming up (after its been unbound) Scott still thinks he is mwheeling and tells Paul to go tell an admin. Paul goes and talks to Mike about something vauge (how many rounds do you lose if u mbob)
The toss gets done, and goomba says "hes Mwheeling"
After the game, they go and check, sure enough he has rebound it. When it was rechecked after the game Jim was present, and it stayed bound until the warmup of the following game (vs alias)
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To say it had no impact is rubbish. Jack and OPR only accused and checked ONE person, they didnt accuse the whole team or anyone else. So either they took a wild guess and picked one person out of 70. Or he was doing something throughout the day that made people suspicious.
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With regards to "ohh but you didnt follow the ruleset"
16bit and mwheel are clear cut, you can see them in the console. You are either have it bound or not bound. Just like 16bit or 32bit.
The deadtalking is something new, which has probably only been done by a handful of teams previously.
This rule would also require an admin to be behind every team for every match. This isnt the CGS, its a local lan comp.
I hope everyone has taken a little something away from this incident;
- if you feel a rule is being broken, pause the game when appropriate and consult an admin immediately (don’t wait till the game has finished)
- record your own POV demos as you cannot always rely on the HLTV demo to be on the server (incase of a flashbug incident - otherwise don’t complain)
- make sure you have read the rules before the competition so you can break them properly, not illegally :)
- respect the admins final decision.
Chris you can still coach after your dead so there a is a point to it, crate (im not saying what you did was dodgey and sorry for pointing you out) was doing it for you guys while i was watching. Secondly its no the players responsibility to pov, and POV's do not give an accurate determination of a flasbug as force hltv is not assured in its calculations of where flashes are thrown or what anyone else is doing besides you. What im saying is there is margin of error in a pov which is non existent in a HLTV.
Also, what is the point of pointing out a flashbug if there is no HLTV demo, it's their word against yours.. "We didn't flash bug" oppossed to "Yes you guys did". I understand what you are saying about the margin of errors in a POV demo but it is better than no_evidence_what_so_ever.
All this smokefilled coffee house crap about how they weren't adequately warned is just bullshit. The sign on page says "no mousewheel duck", it's been a rule since the eSTRO vs MYM incident at WCG'07. Everyone harden the fuck up, Aaron cheated deliberately and got booked for it. I feel sorry for his team mates and if there were a bunch of pricks in different teams who were also mwheeling then they got lucky and I hope they get booked next comp.
I know it's easy to get away with, I admit that I mwheeled at Jonpro's second comp last year because I preferred it. That said, If I were to get pulled up on it then I'd expect some sort of reprimand.
I'd just like to say now, I have good mates in both teams involved and what I'm saying doesn't serve to insult anyone. It's just these bleeding hearts making it out like this is some home grown success story with a horrible ending reminds me of the reason why people like Sten packed up and left the community...
Aaron is a good bloke, but he cheated. Nobody knows the effect the exploit had on any of the games at the comp, especially when one of their games went into overtime. In all fairness (especially to exodus who went into OT with CTG), CTG should probably be completely disqualified so they cannot receive the invite.
It's a shame because players like Will and Jayden work really hard at this game and got pulled down by one little mistake.
No but you can look at other peoples screens and yell out to teammates what he sees. Last WCG everyone caught dead talking was warned I think max 2 times, it was quite strict and I think people should get use to it unless it isn't going to be as strict as last year. If isnt going to be a major rule at the qual then it shouldn't be a major rule at the nats. BUT YER IM A CHETR IM ON XL DATABASE HEUehuh
Its harsh but they should be DQ'd, any other team would've copped it and the rules are there to be enforced.. just like the harsh consequences of flashbugs, you dont mean them but they still happen regardless of the situation. It was a good effort by ctg to go that far but still the rules were broken by sai and it'd be a fucking cop out to any of the teams that vsed him if they got an invite to nats (as slack as it sounds).
Points being why people dead talk and having people outside your team coach. Which is fine to have a manager/coach but they cant be playing in the comp as per rules. Like i said not saying your team did anything wrong just bringing the whole thing to a perspective that could be better grasped.
Just like speeding in a car, most officers will laugh in your face if you say "but i didn't know it was only a 60 zone"
rofl @ CTG
rofl @ QLD