$30 is heaps =[

i don't mind playing :D anyone need a 5th?

anyone need a 5th? - keen!

sweet :D should be good

Curious, does that $10 fee apply until the next comp they come to?

im pretty sure yeh sakura

Lucky melbournites, the link to transonic's page gives me an error ^^

hfhf

should work now saikyo

Really keen to play at this comp, hook me up

yeah cool, was just checkin if they could just dodge the next comp to avoid the penalty

can play pm ._.

didn't u make it into EMC dreamr?

Decided i didn't want to play with them after an online scrim..i have high standards

lies.

they didn't even let u tag up, u didn't make the cut don't lie

LOL

Clearly they are a very professional organisation and if your not in the team you don't tag up, hence why i made the comment i have high standards because i believe they are a quality outfit.

more ammy comps imo, 30 bucks for this :S, 20dollahs for 5 games last one, was actually decent!

ehh, thought this was supposed to be groups.. ~_~

Hi

bulletproof back for round 2? :D

just meant he'd gona MIA for a while and he should come back caus he's the G :D

mite not be playin for 30dollahs for 2 games, fk it waste of money?

dont be cheap..

sigh

lol poor form.

amuSe is right though why can't it be 20? surely it's not because of the amount of PC's because we will struggle to get 12 teams again...

yeh people wonder why ammy comps fill up so quick and these comps struggle to get a full turnout... it's all about value for money

should just make this comp groups aswell.

#28 and #23 have valid points...

if you were an amateur team, honestly how many games would you get in double elim? my guess is 3-4 (some might only get 2 games).. No offence to these teams but its just not value for money when last week it was $20 for 5

imo make it groups atleast !!

$15 dollars a game SICK!
and as you can see the teams that are signed up now, will win atleast 1 game

Agree with #30, 20 dollars for 5 games, and here we have 30 for 2 at the least.. :|

tis is shit make it like ammmy comp or sumthing, w0wzor

it's all fun and games until you have to play against half decent teams

Chiz, mojo, Jing, amuse, powercrunch you all seem to be forgetting something.

The division 2 'value for money' comp is over. It was announced weeks ago that there was going to be a follow up non-amateur competition open to everyone for the standard registration price of $30 PP.

The purpose of this competition leg is to reward teams that perform and mimick a qualifier scenario where you guessed it, the double-elimination format is used*. If you're not prepared to put your money where your mouth is, then don't sign up. There are players and teams who were blocked from the amateur competition waiting to play this.

*If we fall short of 16 teams and there's support for groupstage from the teams that signed up, we'll switch.

how bout 25 bro

I'll happily pay the rego, but if we get less than 16 teams groups would be great.

yeh i dont mind payin rego but groups are way funner then double elim!

were in a financial crisis lol!

groups then please?

The point of this competition is to simulate a 'serious' competition (all serious competitions ie. national qualifiers, will be double elim format, in order to place the teams as accurately as possible), and to let all of the div2 teams who had some good practise against equally-skilled teams last week play in a seroius competition and test their skills.

The $30 rego is also the 'normal' amount, and will be that or similar at the majority of events. The $20 comp last week was just a once off thing to entice newcomers to show up and get some good practise but its pretty disappointing to see that (or so it appears) none of you were willing to put it to good use, otherwise you would have been all over this comp.

With that being said, i personally dont particularly mind what the format is, but hopefully alot more of the div2 teams will rego regardless of what it is.

depends what u want, if it's more teams then play groups, if it's a more serious comp but less teams then go double elim. I know that i for one (being without a real team) probably won't be desperately trying to find players to play with for this comp purely because of value for money. it's the middle tier slut teams that seem to make up the numbers, and it's just not that attractive for us...

anyone need a player?

With the $30 rego PP can we book enough computers so even if teams get knocked out they can still sit on thier pc's and maybe play a match against other teams that have been knocked out so they still get value for money..or are we only going to book enough computers to play X amount of matches at a time?

chiz can u slut for my team? (if we r playing)

if u pay for me, ye

LOL chiz

okay sure and ill pay for your lunch too

xoxo

LOL bl44nk

;)

alota teams are signed up :)

early days young one

okay wise old one

kraM playing for guts?

$30 has been standard since around early last year =|

also can slut if anyone needs

any teams need a player?
cant promise ill get any kills but dw she b sweet lol ;)

man i haven't played in ages but i'm keen for this shiz

teams going to register orrrrrrrrrrr?

pretty sure chan ho nam is gonna bring his team

Young&Dangerous
players:
Chan Ho Nam (Leader)
Jiu Pei
San Gay
Ugly Kwan
Priest

they'll be there just wait :P

no ted, 4 team competetion.

amuse you're trying very hard to make sure this comp doesn't go ahead. You can count on yourself being banned from events we host until further notice.

bazinga

sorry :(

lolol

slut teams start signin up!

the

lol dreamr pwned

jonske here, i'll play if anyone needs... haven't played in like a year though so i'm worse than I was haha

Going to make a thread anyway but anybody who wants to play and doesnt have a team post here and we will try and make a few slut teams to make the comp more fun.

Maybe it's time the Melb community was split into div 1/2? It seems like there are a lot of div 2 standard players (more so than div1?) out there who are willing to play the game, but don't want to see $30+ be wasted on a pretty quick 2 games of CS.. attending comps can be pretty costly when u factor in train ticket/parking, lunch etc.


Hopefully we will see another div 2 comp in Jan/Feb.

btw i can probably slut on sunday if anyone needs.

man I hate that div2 2 game shit excuse.. When I started I was 14 and getting to the city was obviously harder with transport etc. For about 1 year I was coming last and then best result would be 9/12th winning 1 game which is coming back Sunday to play 1 match. You play these comps consistently you obviously get better alot faster. If your not here to improve then no point playing in the first place. Harden up or theres no point playing. This isn't pointed to you smista but I agree with div2 players only wanting to play against div2 because they dont want to lose straight away. You can just use my teams and davestr1zl's as a example. We were both fighting for that 1 match winning basically at the same time. Now it's safe to say were both at the top level of melbourne CS.

/End rant

Also don't know about you guys but when I won that 1 match or made an upset and came 7/8th it was a sick feeling. And if I had the chance to turn back time I'd do it all over again because progressing from the worst to 1 to pretty much top4 almost every comp is really hard and was when I was at my keenest. Not having a go at people I'm just saying we were all at that stage so don't use that excuse.

hmmm its odd that i semi agree with teddyt - your not gonna get better just playing amateur comps

c1

yeah teds spot on but also remember people could be away on holidays and can't play (unleash,myself and my bro and probs more)

I don't think 10 teams are away on holidays.

i didn't say they were??

just excusing the few teams that are :), others should sign up now

nice post ted :)

#73 no offence, but hopefully we never see another div2 comp again, as it is quite clear that none of the teams that attend them are actually willing to put the practise that they gain at those competitions to good use. That IS, after all, the whole point of those competitions - to bring in new players into the competitive environment to start them off at the ground level and give them a platform to work there way up.

Any competitions that restrict teams/players playing in them in these times are one of the worst things you can do, there are few enough teams as it is without splitting the community further into seperate, smaller, groups. I could understand it, however, it if were an infrequent thing that is actually being put to good use (which it obviously isnt).

What's also bad is it conditions the div2 players to expect group stages, expect 5+ games, expect $20 rego, and expect a whole bunch of things that shouldn't reasonably be expected, and as such its quite likely that this tournament will have to change format because of it.

I completely agree with what teddyt said in #74/#75. While you may feel it is expensive for 2 games (i don't know why you all think you would only get 2 games, you should be more positive about how you will go! and the more div2 teams that sign up the more games you will play as you will all end up playing against each other anyway).

I can also guarantee you that winning 1 single game in a double elimination tournament that actually places you higher at the end will give you more satisfaction than winning 1 single game in a groupstage where the win counts for nothing. I played for years rocking up saturday to get smashed by immunity 16-0, then have a tight competitive game with a lower skilled team, then come back sunday and play 1 single game against a medium skilled team only to most of the time lose. But each win was an awesome feeling and it was an even better feeling to improve over time with placings and results.

/also ends rant.

my rant was bigger ted, cya m8

im not taking a side cos i believe in everything u say ted, and yeah personally im willing to play in any comp but what im saying is there are a lot of people who don't take CS as seriously as you do, ted. there are a lot of players who just want to have fun, and playing teams of a similar standard is fun, not getting beaten in 2 maps and being knocked out of a comp.

"If your not here to improve then no point playing in the first place"

lighten up a bit mate it's just a computer game lol we're all just here to play a game

Ummmm... pretty sure Counter-Strike isn't just 'a game'. It's also lyf.

And dave I was expecting a little bit more from you big fella. That's weak.

I used to not care about rocking up to lan and getting 1,2 BBQ'd. i was so keen just to improve and to get experience because i knew that we would get better, and we did. But i think times have changed, theres not enough new young keen marines that wanna go to lan purely because it's lan and as such you don't see that many fresh teams signing up to play with the big boys - because they genuinely aren't keen enough. If they were this comp would have 16 teams...

ok let me get this straight before I begin my rant, i completely agree with you ted/dave. I was also in a team (for years) where i would consistantly place last/second/third last in double elim. Simply put, i can share the same feelings and I admire your efforts to get better.

But the bottom line is, do you think people today would be willing to follow the same path? and if so, would enough be willing to stick around in a new team?

i can't seem to think of a lineup that has stuck around every single comp and placed bad every comp.

all in all, its a tough choice. div2 comps cause inactivity from the pros (the people who weren't allowed to play in div2 comp) ... and div1 comps cause inactivity of the new comers.... Dunno where the balancing line is/could be.

wow i seriously talk too much

btw to clarify my third paragraph.

naturally bad teams get better instead of staying bad but we don't seem to have any teams that stay together from bad->good or bad-> bad lol

The div2 comps restrict div1 players/teams playing, whereas these open comps dont restrict anyone it is purely the div2 players decisions whether they play or not. I don't really see why the div2 players should then be rewarded for not willing to attend comps by having their own easier, cheaper competitions.

Also the road to improve is far far easier today because, as you pointed out jing, there are far less serious teams, meaning you can work ur way up to the lower/middle ranks far easier and in less time.

Willing to play this sunday, need a team though. Find me on #ipgn-comp

come on guys keen up kraM is really eager to make his laan return

Kind of shattered at the amount of teams though, but i'll defs be signing up my team soon.

there should be a few teams who are still about to sign up so dw about it #93, the more who rego will entice even more to sign up after them :D so sign up asap if possible

ill play, if im allowed??

i can understand why a nats qualifier is $30 bux rego. but i dont see why it is necessary for the price to be $30 for a normal event. Although im happy to pay teh $30 cuz i aint a stingy cunt, for the rest they see 30 bux double elim and its not worth it. Most events overseas are played in a group format (minus kode 5). So does most of our national events (apart from wcg when everything was fked up) With Mid City having sooo many computers we can so do groups.

I reckon $30 bux rego and groups is reasonable. Also $25 rego and double elim is also reasonable.

I'm keen to LAN except it is hard to get a Melbourne team when you live in Sydney (Also hard getting a Sydney team when you live in Sydney). All in all it is quite difficult for a newbie like me to get a spot in a serious team (even if they get 16-0'd every game).

I mean I have no trouble hopping on a plane and going to Melbourne for a weekend but man it is hard to get into the scene.

u guys are all complaning about 30 bux rego when this dude is keen enough to spend x amount of money on flights etc to play, harden the fuck up lmao

#96 u cant really compare local comps to major international tournies - of course major international tournies are groups (just as major aus comps are too), but most international minor tournaments and qualifiers are double elim.

And if you did want to compare aus comps to overseas, most tournaments have rego fees upwards of $40-50 per player such as in europe and every single comp in America (and thats in US $$ too), so we should be counting ourselves lucky.

dave you have clearly done alot of research lOL

Hes really just basing his info on what oops said, and we both know thats true dave!!

The excuse that people 'only want to have fun' or they 'don't take the game seriously' is just stupid. Why? Despite the fact they only play for fun, they only play comps with cheap rego and where they (think) they have a chance of winning a few games. It’s just an (terrible) excuse people use because they don't want to admit (to themselves as much as others) that they actually do want to be good at this game, but are too lazy to put in time and effort to actually be good.

If they really played for fun, they’d put in the time and effort to get better. “But why would they do this if they just play for fun?” That’s exactly why, because they have fun just by playing the game. They’d play at every opportunity they got and wouldn’t bitch about how they’re “just going to lose” because that doesn’t matter, they’re still having fun. They’d join a team and play with that team, because having a team means more games, and if it was really true that they played the game for the enjoyment they receive from it, they’d take that opportunity to make a team and play more games. But they don’t. They don’t because they don’t really play the game just for fun, they just like winning.

They play to inflate their own little ego. Why else do you think they enjoy amateur comps more? Everyone knows that playing against and watching better competition is the key to improvement, so why do they want to play lesser skilled teams? Simple: they want to win. What’s important to these dipshits isn’t improvement, its winning. Winning for them feels good, even if it IS against shit players because at least then they can say, “I’m better than these guys and I only play for fun! I’m the greatest!” They won’t make a real team and attend a bunch of competitions where they get fisted, but don’t even care because they saw improvement in themselves and still had fun. That would be too hard and they’re too lazy and too busy telling everyone that they could be good instead of getting good. With that said I think it’s important to point out that fun and improvement go hand in hand.

The better you get at something, the more fun it becomes. Any true musician will tell you this. As you get better, you realize just how much you can do. But it isn’t the thought of being the best that gives you a thrill. You’re still having fun just playing. Except now, you can play in ways you never even could have imagined the first time you played. It’s like you have a whole new instrument to play with.

So to all those people who spurt out those bullshit phrases like, “I could be good but I just play for fun.” And, “you’re only good because you play with a team and you play more often than me.” Just take a moment to think about what you’re about to say. You know all you’re doing by saying it is protecting your own ego, because you know you don’t play for fun you play because you like to win. So when you don’t win, you get shitty

PS my wall is bigger than yours dave.

for me personally i'd have to disagree when u say that cs is more fun the more u play.

i feel burnt out when i play too much in spaces of a week - a month.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

you're skills of wall are impressive shard

Spot on Jon, i think there is barely any real lower or middle tier teams anymore. Mostly it's just slut teams in this skill range (bar Serverdown, maybe fM? no idea). I know personally that if i had a real team that practiced, even if we were terrible i'd still go to a comp purely to improve.

Nearly all of the teams at the div2 comp were slut teams, (most of melbournes lanners are in some form of "group" or mix of people who occasionally scrim/ipgn) - but the reason they went was because they thought they had a chance to win a few games, if not win all of them. The reason this open comp won't see the numbers the div2 comp did is because these middle tier slut teams can't see any benefit in attending. And Dave these slut teams don't play to improve, they play for fun.

The key to numbers therefore, is REAL teams, the skill level is irrelevant.

"And Dave these slut teams don't play to improve, they play for fun."

but as jon said, if they genuinely played to 'play for fun' then they would be playing this and any comp, as they would play without caring of winning or losing. But they don't, because they play to win, or atleast have their 'fun' by winning, so that just isnt true.

Improvement, winning, and fun all go hand in hand aswell, its a shame they are unnable to realise that.

slut teams dave... playing with a slut team and losing isn't fun

and thats why they don't seem to be signing up, but maybe if more lower tier teams signed up it might spark some of the "play to win or don't play at all" players haha

i still think the main issue is that there isn't enough genuine teams out there looking to improve.

#109 yes but thats exactly jon's point, they play to win.

no one can be fucked making anymore PROPER LAN TEAMS, with weekly practise, no one is on etc.

mine is bigger den urs shard n dave

shard, I'm speaking on behalf of myself here, but for those who play the game about once every year would probably want the cheaper rego 'cause that's the only time they play 'for fun' as opposed to wanting to play the game often 'for fun', major difference there. So just to make it clear, that people do actually play it for fun and don't take it as seriously but are keen to play whenever they have time (as myself who is keen to play this comp but do not know many players that I know who still play).
Having said that, I do agree that for the people who do stick around and play most comps but are just doing it 'for fun', that can't be true in a sense that, yes you're playing the game for fun, but it doesn't mean you're not putting in effort to better yourself at the game. Who would want to stick around and play the game but get smashed every time because of the lack of effort they put in?
Just saying.
Peace out dudes.

I hardly read over that but I think it doesn't make sense, hopefully it makes sense to you guys, just woke up XOXO

jon is your team going to sign up or what?

we've only got like 3 players, need couple more
apparently no dreamRs accepted though

don't think kale contacted dyl =\

jonske fakeh cron1c bulletproof shard

barely anyone puts in effort now days anyway except dbc and they still lose to slut teams at lan (but there horrendous so), sounds like everyone's scared.

Think what dave/others are saying if teams really played for fun why do they care about the results of some random LAN comp whether it be open or amateur

and lol @ no dreamR's accepted LOL

I agree with that last statemen lUcasiZL
Hence why I'm wanting to play this Sunday and get smashed :D:D:D

also I'm pretty sure the format is changing and if that happens I think the limit of teams will change aswell so you better hurry up you cheap cunts.

That's right, it looks like the format will change. Since we have 40pc's, it would mean it's best suited for 8 teams so get in quick.

if its 8 teams do we have a seat for the whole day?

lf team..

george should do that shit gotgames does when theres a comp on and have a list of everybody looking for a team/can slut.

can play

hmm that's a good idea. and yeah the idea is no teams would move, so 8 teams would be a perfect fit.

that's good =]

I think there will be more than 8 teams registered :o

- dreamR's team
- rumeboys?
- PowerCrunch
- jonske/cron1c team

I already got 5 people lined up, we're just working out travelling etc and seeing who else registers.

pretty sure shard's wall dominated and nailed the problem on the head. most people play for win however i'm not saying playing to win is a bad thing.

Playing to win and consistently improving to achieve that goal is a positive thing. However if you're playing to win and you do not try to improve, then that's just trying to get the easy way out.

So for all those new teams contemplating joining this comp or not, I say set realistic goals. Come to the tournment with the aim to be competitive (i.e aim to get atleast 10 rounds before you lose to a team and aim not to get smashed 16-0). If you can achieve this, then in a sense you have won your own battle.

If you're one of those players that hardly has time to play the game and want to win. I say take the same approach as you're definately not going to beat teams who have practiced alot but if you give them a tough game then atleast you can walk away from the comp knowing that you put up a fight.

I AM SO KEEN TO CS RIGHT NOW ..... -5 streak on ipgn ftl

im capped till midnight today. :C

Unban me jing ty

and me!

lol banned from dice and ipgn =[

the thing is i shudn't even be banned from ipgn, just fukn shit admins like ramuss

racist

i said nothing racist, i called him a shit admin a few times... LOL

amuse you dont understand how badly i want to bury your head into concrete

HAHHAAHAHHAHAHA

teams who have 5 and are stalling on to see who else signs up will end up costing themselves a spot in the competition. remember we do have to confirm the PC bookings, do group seeds, draws and whatnot which all takes time.

are you still changing the format to group stages IF all teams agree?

AHAHAHH

lol jonske the teams have no say in the matter whatsoever its completely up to the admins on what they want to do, i will have a team regoed by 6pm tonight, then thatyll leave 1 more spot for a team to rego and then 8 team round robin here we go!

dunno if the email went through, but i put my team through

TBA - dreamR, shard, bulletproof, represX, aydz

pretty sure i read beedee say something that if teams agree to have group stages then they'll change it (depending on amount of teams)
... or maybe I could've been 'dreaming'

I cant edit my post but replace represX with drag0n please.

#148 nice :D

somebody rego us up please

TBA - dreamR, shard, buletproof, drag0n aydz.

thanks dave!

Are you kidding me dreamr? Have you even read the message you pasted?

what do you mean beedee? :P

LOL

Ohh i get it...i should have a "?" after the dave, ill fix that right up for ya.

Are you going to do the groups on the day?

We're making another announcement soon

<3

didnt jonske/eggman's team rego? :(

I rego'd my team :S

bl champ

mm that kinda sucks, asif the numbers are restricted? :S

dave jonske is saying he did register his team.

7. MM - Lafa, cronic, fakeh, jonske, sieg

i really got told he made and regod team with like keita or something, my bad ignore me

i've finally found my calling.

is metro melbourne back in town?

if its only gonna be 8 team should just do an 8-team round robin like the sydney CH comps :D

dave, it's updated now :)

ah kk cool yeh thats what i heard, i got all confused when u wernet there LOL

his name is dave, and I think he needs a shave.

xx

his name is ted, and he should go to bed.

his name is ted, he's gonna give me head

All the spots Taken :s?