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Dice Melee Coverage
 Author : 
 ham
05-03-2009 11:11pm

Today marks the completion of what will hopefully be the first of many Dicevip-administered 1.6 competitions.

Through-out the day, competition was fierce, seeded teams looking strong, however as fluent as it all began, its not without it's controversy.

During one of the group stage matches, a member of team Twisted Fate accidentally killed himself through world-spawn, then proceeded to rejoin the game as if nothing had of happened, which in almost every globally recognized ruleset, is illegal. After considerable amounts of discussion between admins present at the event, it was decided that a 1 round penalty would be applied to the halftime score. Little did we know, that 1 round would be the one that mattered. MB fought back from an 11-4 deficit to cinch the victory 16-14.

Another team who turned out to be a surprise package was team TNA, who were seeded 4th and were looking very strong early on beating every team they came up against convincingly, until arguably the two best teams in the competition, team GUTS and TF8. Heavy losses in those 2 games would see TNA home early(16-12 and 16-11 respectively) without any chance of playing GUTS in the final, which meant TF8 scraped through by the slimmest of margins.

The grand final between GUTS and TF8 was rather one sided to say the least, sporting 2 of Australias top talents in Ben "benoR" O'Reilly and Gareth "gazR" Lynn who were brought in last minute to play for the top seeded team. GUTS steamrolled the first map which was De_inferno 16-8, the 2nd map was to be de_dust2, which ended up the exact same score, also in GUTS' favor.

Prizes

1st. Guts - davestr1zl, gamz, bl4nk, benor, gazr $250
2nd. TF8 - jastone, jimeh, jnsie, hellraiser, shadz $125

GRAND FINAL

Teamname 1h 2h OT Final
   GUTS 11 5 16
   TF8 4 4 8
 Map: de_inferno
Teamname 1h 2h OT Final
   GUTS 9 7 16
   TF8 6 2 8
 Map: de_dust2

Group Play

Teamname G W L T RW/RL  P
GUTS
5 5 0 0 80/39 15
TF8
5 3 2 0 71/57 9
MB
5 2 2 1 67/71 7
tNa
5 2 3 0 55/61 6
dreamRteam
5 1 3 1 54/63 4
Hostile
5 1 4 0 37/73 3

Teamname 1h 2h OT Final
   GUTS 7 9 16
   MB 8 6 14
   GUTS 7 9 16
   TF8 8 1 9
   MB 5 11 16
   TF8 10 4 14
   Hostile 5 2 7
   tNa 10 6 16
   Hostile 12 4 16
   dreamRteam 3 6 9
   GUTS 7 9 16
   tNa 8 4 12
   GUTS 15 1 16
   dreamRteam 0 1 1
   tNa 0 0 0 0
   dreamRteam 0 0 16 16
 Map: forfeit
Teamname 1h 2h OT Final
   TF8 14 2 16
   Hostile 1 0 1
   MB 9 7 16
   Hostile 6 4 10
   GUTS 12 4 16
   Hostile 3 0 3
   TF8 6 10 16
   dreamRteam 9 4 13
   TF8 11 5 16
   tNa 4 7 11
   MB 10 5 15
   dreamRteam 5 10 15
   MB 6 0 6
   tNa 9 7 16

Map Rotation

Map 1 - de_nuke
Map 2 - de_dust2
Map 3 - de_train
Map 4 - de_tuscan
Map 5 - de_inferno

Teams required at 10am
Guts, Hostile, MB, TF8

Teams required at 1pm
tNa, dreamRteam


1. 
 05/03/09 11:16pm
so much scrimz YES!
2. 
 05/03/09 11:38pm
Awesome comp.
3. 
 06/03/09 12:15am
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lol. gw
4. 
 06/03/09 12:49am
^ nice sentence
5. 
 06/03/09 01:00am
NICE EDIT
6. 
 06/03/09 01:25am
BAHAHAHA
7. 
 06/03/09 01:35am
LOL~
8. 
 06/03/09 07:51am
maps decided on day i assume? finals?
9. 
 06/03/09 05:15pm
10 am RUFF
10. 
 06/03/09 05:37pm
yeh info on maps / finals formats / prizes would be good to clarify just so everyone knows whats happening

(im assuming maps will be done randomly on the day though in which case thats all good)
11. 
 ham
 06/03/09 05:54pm
really forgot to put it up, ill put up map rotation/prizes in a bit
12. 
 ham
 06/03/09 06:41pm
soz #9 lol
13. 
 06/03/09 07:24pm
MB are gonna win the comp
14. 
 06/03/09 11:47pm
final format / prizes? :D
15. 
 07/03/09 01:10pm
LOL MB vs tf8 pistol, nice attempt at clutch by jimmeh
16. 
 07/03/09 02:04pm
is it delayed or just very bad coverage?
17. 
 ham
 07/03/09 02:49pm
a bit delayed ted
18. 
 07/03/09 03:26pm
MB beat jimeh again! lOL
19. 
 07/03/09 03:29pm
go MB
20. 
 07/03/09 05:04pm
lol agaton is playing wow atm RoF
21. 
 07/03/09 06:14pm
MB won the war, but we won the battle.
22. 
 07/03/09 06:54pm
GG all was a fun day! #21 is correct
23. 
 07/03/09 06:55pm
LOL u got through cos we drew with dreamR (who was amzing mind you)
24. 
 07/03/09 08:16pm
cant believe u didnt beat em :<
25. 
 07/03/09 08:27pm
unlucky to MB who were outplayed by dreamR and tNa who were robbed, although i thought the 2 best teams on the day played the final.

See ya's next comp!
26. 
 07/03/09 08:29pm
2 in a row mate and jnsies still whinging, cya next comp
27. 
 07/03/09 08:30pm
CYA BOIZ
28. 
 07/03/09 08:38pm
jnsie really needs to take a long hard look at himself
29. 
 07/03/09 08:46pm
demos to be expected ? :>
30. 
 07/03/09 08:49pm
wd to guts.iM ! thanks to ham/peki for running the comp. Hopefully next time i'm not quite so tired.
31. 
 07/03/09 09:00pm
roe roe roe ur boat boiz
32. 
 07/03/09 09:04pm
in my OPINION (don't flame me for it) TF8 got off pretty lucky only losing that one round... i know it's more of a friendly comp and shit but you still don't want to get jibbed out of any chance at winning.

It's just common sense that if you kill yourself you can't retry... especially if its not in freeze time, and with the way you guys treat MB... i wonder why they argued / complained... aye? lol.
33. 
 07/03/09 09:15pm
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The only problem was i asked "can i play or not?" in mm1 and got no reply (3 ct's alive still). And i also had to play with glock no armour...

Yes, i was in the wrong..but it's a friendly one dayer and i've never really seen an accident like that as a big issue, so i joined and asked can i play? Got no response so just kept playing with my glock. I would've killed myself/come back next round if they had said a simple "no".
34. 
 07/03/09 09:21pm
it should go without saying, anyway dave was the one in the end who made the compromise and the game continued. and ended with jnsie refusing to shake hands and further exposing his immaturity

GG
35. 
 07/03/09 09:23pm
I don't think dave even came over to ask for our side of the situation, bit unfair but oh well
36. 
 07/03/09 09:35pm
Big thanks to Peki / Ham ( and Russ For lending out zam. ) tNa had heaps of fun we will surely rockup to next "fun day" comp or anything along the lines of a "Lan" Qualifier.
37. 
 07/03/09 09:42pm
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why do i want to shake your hand when you arnt congragulating me on a good game, instead you are being impudent.

Both games have been fun. If jimeh stops being a rl hero, we might win more with much needed practice behind us.

38. 
 07/03/09 09:47pm
All we need now is demos.
39. 
 07/03/09 09:47pm
dude it was a good game and i came to shake your hand like i do with every team because of that reason, win or lose i'm always the first over there to shake hands
40. 
 07/03/09 09:48pm
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^
41. 
 08/03/09 12:11am
Impudence is the worst of all human diseases.
42. 
 08/03/09 12:33am
dw shard mate beat them on a map they were more familiar on ay (#30 in other thread)
43. 
 08/03/09 01:16am
LOL..
44. 
 08/03/09 01:32am
asif get excited to beat jnsie? LOL
45. 
 08/03/09 01:38am
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jase is cute
46. 
 08/03/09 02:18am
what i want to know is how tf8 managed to get through to final on this system
they lost to mb (lol) just beat dreamR team by 3 rounds (lol) and had 3 attempts at guts not making double digit rounds once (these guys are nowhere near tNa's level)
just got lucky on inferno i suppose, winning both pistols and what not.. but still bo3 wouldve seen tf8 dommed by tNa
but going by your little RW/RL tally wouldve seen tNa place 2nd had they beaten dreamRteam at least 16-11 with 71/56 ratio
why even have the tally in place if it doesnt count for who goes through? so flawed...
47. 
 08/03/09 02:22am
They used some rule that Azog is famous for fucking over rav back in 06. It's basically no reason to have the tally.
48. 
 08/03/09 02:31am
btw tNa guts score is wrong, 8-7 first half to tNa and 4-9 second half
49. 
 ham
 08/03/09 03:11am
it's not flawed - the vast majority of rule sets state that head-to-head counts before rounds. if MB had beaten dreamRteam, it would have been a 3-way-tie, meaning tNa would go through on rounds. as it was a two way tie, and there was a clear winner between the two teams that tied, head to head is the obvious way.
50. 
 ham
 08/03/09 03:28am
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anyway, good day, see you next time
51. 
 08/03/09 03:28am
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you got to play 5 times anyway #46

oh ham went there
52. 
 08/03/09 03:44am
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the only thing thats 'flawed' is in the dice groups, which tallys up the points + rounds to determine the placings, whereas 99% of comps will have head-to-head count infront of rounds wherever possible (2 tied teams, not 3). Rounds are an incredibly random and terrible way of determining the 'better' team and should only ever be used as a last resort (which in this case they were, and always are). Only reason rounds are ever used ever is because it saves time on replaying games.

ggs to all good comp, loooks like demos are up now too in the files section :D thanks alot ham/peki/geo :D
53. 
 08/03/09 09:33am
roffy,

1. we beat tna LOL
2. we wernt trying vs dreamr
3. final vs guts was cbf, i wouldve happily taken the money and left you to have some lan time.. which you need.

btw tna was worse than dreamr's team LOL

(id still have carn back to tf8 but)
54. 
 08/03/09 10:25am
#46 is from tNa
55. 
 08/03/09 11:31am
#49
56. 
 08/03/09 01:38pm
hahahaha
57. 
 08/03/09 01:45pm
lol gg well ran cheers for games. abit unlucky tna same thing happend to me 2 nats ago shit happens
58. 
 08/03/09 02:07pm
jnsie bmf!
59. 
 08/03/09 02:30pm
jnsie enjoying his cs atm, tf8 vs MB part 3 tv crew etc kgo!
60. 
 08/03/09 02:40pm
from what i saw jastone retrying affected the round completely fucking up the dude @ ebox distracting him.. and come one jasoN m8 there in middle of pushing/fragging i dont blame them for not replying to what you said, if they did read it.
should be 3 rounds not 1 because i think it was MB's buy round aswell fucking demUp. Only a friendly comp though so no harm done.
looked like a really enjoyable comp wish i had played someone pick me up for next comp! :D

ps. head2head before rounds is good :)!

61. 
 08/03/09 02:52pm
well when i did retry it was near the start of the round just as we came out t mid, didn't really think about what the round situation might be, just tried to get back in asap. It's not like i cratered, i joined the other team by accident so i had to retry anyway. I joined our team (not knowing i would actually respawn, as if it's after a certain time won't let you play) and then asked can i play? No answer so i played on.
62. 
 08/03/09 03:08pm
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You keep sticking to the story of you not being told, when i had proof that i told your team specifically you couldnt join as soon as you died, we were a bit busy trying to win the round to reply to something you should of already known when you eventually came back in.
In any major tournament if a player commits suicide by accidently changing teams or by cratering they wouldnt be allowed back in under penalty of minimum 3 round deduction.
We lost that round which would of been a 1v1, my team distracted as soon as we found out you were playing the round. Awarded the 1 round which you forfeited but what was to stop us from winning the next 3 turning it to 9-6 opposed to the admin decided 10-5?

Not going to post anything else on the current topic however sportsmanship shown by JNSIE and his teammates at both this comp and the previous two were _disgraceful_.
63. 
 08/03/09 03:10pm
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No one on my team told me i couldn't rejoin (if they had indeed read your text ingame), so i asked in mm1 to the THREE ct's and no one answered. If any of them cared they would have said no instantly.
64. 
 08/03/09 03:23pm
they were concentrating on fragging cant blame them mate
65. 
 08/03/09 03:34pm
peki your sportsman ship by actually making a deal out of it was disgraceful, your whole team was like nah lets just play on, you were the only one crying about it. It was a fun comp not a nats or even a nats qualifier and to be an admin playing in the comp and being the only one making a fuss of it makes daves life hard as he's pressured from you (another admin). Chin up buddy Jnsie placed higher than ya fagballs
66. 
 08/03/09 03:52pm
how dare you stick to the rules and run a comp properly jim...

thats _disgraceful_
67. 
 08/03/09 03:52pm
NUKED
68. 
 08/03/09 03:55pm
also: 2 in a row ladZ
69. 
 08/03/09 03:58pm
It was unfortunate that it happened, but it's over now.

Everyone will know the rules for next melee
70. 
 08/03/09 03:59pm
tbh peki wasn't the one making a big deal of it lol :> he (and ham) were obviously annoyed but they didn't really have any input on the decision... peki said he knew it was against the rules but he didn't want to look biased :X
71. 
 08/03/09 04:02pm
i couldent care what happend now, at the time it was turd, and no coma when me and john went over to ask what was happening he was squeeling like a little girl about it.
72. 
 08/03/09 04:04pm
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whether you agree or disagree on the decision or its results or anything to do with that - those that are saying because its a 'fun' comp not a nats etc and it shouldnt be taken as serious is pretty dumb.

Just caus its a slightly more casual (what determines it being casual though.. lower prize money? less teams? where do you draw the line? Theres still money, pride, and more up for grabs at these comps) doesnt mean that rules shouldnt be adhered to and that cheating (exaggerating to make a point) should be allowed.

If anything it should be exactly the same (wherever possible). Thats what really makes lan FUN. Good, FAIR, games and high quality scrims! :D
73. 
 08/03/09 04:07pm
ignore dave, he's being pressured by jim to say that
74. 
 08/03/09 04:10pm
Stop stirring chiz :)
75. 
 08/03/09 04:13pm
kk ill stop LoL
76. 
 08/03/09 05:04pm
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#65 how can u say peki's sportsmanship is bad when he could of easily taken 3 rounds for good reason, him and ham didnt want to make the decision so they asked dave and benoR for thier opinion and they came up with a solution which they asked both your team and MB to agree to, and if i recall correctly your team didnt have an issue agreeing because you were so cocky that you thought ud beat them, but BL there. So maybe get your facts completely straight before coming in bantering and criticizing.And stop talking smack about how your team is so great considering whenever i see your team playing Jastone is topping while you other 4 mopping up. Anyway i had a fun day i found out im the worst player at lan but it was still hilarious. Ty to ham and peki and hopefully plenty more to come.
77. 
 08/03/09 05:10pm
meh it won't happen again that's for sure. let's all just get past it and bring on future comps!
78. 
 08/03/09 05:35pm
#76 from memory i dont believe i asked if tf8 agree to it, nor did i really ask mb either caus whether either of them agree to it or not shouldnt reallllly have any bearing on it.

i may have asked them though, i honestly cant remember

who cares though its in the past, its a pretty small issue and hopefully everyone can get over it

was a great day of lots of scrims for all teams! :D awesome comp
79. 
 08/03/09 06:51pm
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dreamr, i think you have cocky and cbf mixed up.

if tf8 really wanted to win, we would be playing online more often ( havent played since kode5 qual 2). We still enjoy a game of cs, but to be frank there isnt much motivation anymore. iM + GUTS will be top 2 every comp unless someone like vhm or tf8 start playing more; which is impracticable with our players rl schedule.

Becuase you have opened your mouth dreamr ill shut it for you.

- tf8 played tuscan once before in kode5.
- jim, shadz and myself (dunno bout hellraiser) had played it like 3 times ever.
- you play it literally every night in that thing you call ipgn.
- we were emo from MB's loss and literally cbf playing. Additional to that, when you are as good as tf8, playing noobs in a competition said, we wernt phased at all losing rounds to you. (obvious from our randy pushing looking for kills).
- if ya wanna play serz, cya in the next nationals where we will win 16-0.

-the rest of your team mates seemed like nice people and there is definitely potential in some of the players. You were a good team and will make some decent games in the future. But plz dont question tf8's cockyness or ability..

MB have always given tf8 a good game. Lately they have been playing better than us.

Im up for some more prac, so hopefully jim pulls his head in.




oh and jase carries us to some extent, but every team has a 2g.
80. 
 08/03/09 06:56pm
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"johns list of excuses pt. 44."
81. 
 08/03/09 07:02pm
2g
82. 
 08/03/09 10:11pm
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I like how your intro kind of relates to what i said, and then your whole body is talking about something irrelevant that everyone knows, and then your ending relates again, i never mentioned about our game we knew u wernt trying but im just stating that you (personally) think your top sh*t. And u cant say your not trying when you lose and the opposing team comes to shake your hand and telling them to f*ck off. Clearly shows you cant handle a loss.

And #78 ben went over and explained what was going on and there was no objection.
83. 
 ham
 08/03/09 10:26pm
who cares its over, looking forward to next comp
84. 
 09/03/09 12:52pm
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refer to #37 dreamr. There was no need to shake hands after that game, and many other games shaking hands is just tongue n cheek.

I shook ham's hand because he doesnt carry on. n yer, i carry on, but after a win i dont go rub it in by racing over to shake hands like a retard just won nationals.

also dreamr, you have played one lan game, i dont think anyone appreciates your gayness at lan and your irony of copying my behavior "NoT iN mY hOuSe"
85. 
 09/03/09 12:55pm
i have no idea wtf is going on LOL luv yaz.

P.s make next comp on a sunday so i can come and frag some nuBz
86. 
 09/03/09 05:55pm
geeez people stealing jnsies material! copyright of the 2g
87. 
 17/03/09 08:05am
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#57 ns ay chris
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